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Post  Aslinn Dhan on February 9th 2010, 1:44 am

Bill’s Humanity

One of the things that we see throughout the series id the struggle Vampires have trying to sort out their place in the world of humans. Bill Compton is a prime example of this.

The final scene in Season One, when Bill and Sookie are reunited after his attempt to save her, he says something, or at least begins to say something. One of the things that he says is “If I had….” I always wondered how he might have finished this sentence. If he had been what?

1. A little sooner? Being that it was day time, whether he had been a little sooner would have made little or no difference to Bill as sunlight is his destroyer.
2. A little stronger? Again, there is no use in wishing this because he is a Vampire and usually very strong, but there is the fact that he was weakened by the sun.

But what if he had finished his sentence: If I had been Human.

That is something to think about and it is something to think about because that is the underlying theme of the Vampire tale, a creature who looks like a human, acts for the most part like a human but is not a human. They have incredible strengths and powers but at the same time the smallest things defeat them: Silver, the sun.
I think that Bill loves and hates his Vampirism. It gives him the advantages of being strong and immortal and with supernatural powers but at the same time, he is alone. All he has known and loved has died. All that he will ever know will die. And there are other limitations.

One of the things that Sookie really wants is a family, children and husband. Bill may be an excellent husband but he will never be able to give her what she wants and that is a family, a normal family, with all that entails.
Conversely, Bill craves the same thing. He is attracted to the notion of recreating a family he lost, but he can never have children. For him to have “off-spring” he must be a maker (something he finds abhorrent) and it is really not the same thing. Even if he and Sookie play “parent “ to the young Jessica, she will eventually seek to be released from her maker’s hold and the Vampire/progeny relationship is really not the same thing as family.

We have also seen Bill being less than human when he was with his maker, Lorena. Lorena hates the idea of being alone but she also likes the idea of corruption of someone who is “pure” a good man who she can make into a monster and Bill was that, in anger he threw away his remaining humanity to indulge in the Vampiric life. But his loathing of himself and his actions in this life torments Bill. Somewhere in that journey, however, Bill rediscovers some of his humanity and this is where we find him.

So, now that we have seen Bill both as a more human Vampire and a vicious Vampire, what will happen to him now that he is presumably back in the clutches of his maker and has loved and, as far as he knows, lost?

I suspect that on some levels, he feels though that can be no forgiveness for what he has done and this is a part of his self loathing. On the other hand, I think he is trying hard to be a better person but he is still very much a Vampire. One of the interesting things that Alan Ball brought up was that Bill killed the name number of people as Rene did in season one, so you had to ask the question was Bill just as savage as Rene and can we excuse Bill because he seemed to have an altruistic reason for his murders whereas Rene didn't

Bill's reaction and his violence was as much a reaction to being made as it was anything else. Bill resented having been made because he lost everything. He made up his mind to recreate what he had to the best of his ability and the only way he could do that was to turn to Lorena and in order for him to connect with her and make her happy he had to be and do and act as she acted. But he gave up. He found his existence nothing but blood and death and because he remembered another time when he was something else, he began to wonder, can I get back to that place, maybe not be as I was as a human but be something other than I am.

Uncle Bartlett's murder was necessary to me, child molesters are never reformed. So, this act of vengence was something I would never hold against him. Molesting a child is the act of a monster. Bill and any other man would have done the same thing. Godric murdered Gabe for just trying to rape her. I hear no critical judgment about what he did.

One of the things that fascinates me about Bill and his struggle to find his place with humans after all this time, and fight with his self loathing and his regret is how he seems to be out of step. The little nuances that still mark him as other, though he is behaving human, well as human as he gets, even Bill has his limits.

One of the things is that he knows the steps to being human, but he goes about it clumsily. Like when Bud and Andy come to visit. He offers them frescas, but they are warm. He is reminded by Sookie that he must offer appropriate sentiments, even if he doesn't mean it because it is the polite thing to do.


So I was looking at the show down between Bill and Lorena when he finally gets her to release him. He says to her: You have stolen my humanity and you have forgotten yours. I think that is what Bill resents the most, that what he has become was as a result of his being forced to be Vampire.

One of the other things I was thinking about when I watched this scene was Lorena tells him: You will be all alone! and he replies: You were the one who was always afraid of that. I think that is the key to his search for humanity and I think that he at first sought only to stop being a monster, not necessarily become a more human Vampire. I think he just wanted to stop killing people for the hell of it, to please his maker who liked to play with her food.

While we can only speculate, Bill seems to have been alone much of the time. In the books he told Sookie that he had traveled for years, as I imagine all the Vampires did so they would get trapped in one spot until the great Revelation. He did fraternize with other Vampires, as they were really the ones with whom he could relax and be himself. But as far as connecting to another person and having a companion, that was something he was never interested in. Until Sookie.

Whether it was her excitement and surprise over her willingness to accept him, and even put herself in harms way to protect him or her simple beauty or her otherness and supernatural lineage or a combination of all those things, Bill begins to rethink his strategy.

His mission (as it is written in the books) not withstanding, he never intended to get emotionally involved and I don't think he ever really meant to assimilate so deeply into human society as he did. He may have wanted to settle down and be back in his ancestral home and mainstream, but I think he was also interested in being private, as all Vampires had always been.

What think ye?


He tells Sookie that his humanity is quite fragile, and I imagine it is. He may not have been as he was with Lorena, but as you pointed out, he still had dealings with Diane, and by the way Diane acted, she wasn't much better.

I think making Jessica was a real test on his humanity. I think he was the verge of losing it and think that is what made Bill mad as much as seeing Sookie kissing Sam. I always wondered about why he came back to his old home place. I mean, even if he was carrying out the orders of the queen, did he think it was simply easier to reclaim his home place? It was more isolated and more private. Or do you think he went back to his old home to try and see if he could delve more into his humanity?

Bill told Sookie that he really wanted a home and that was why he came back. And then, after the big bad secret is let out and Sookie knows about the Mission, he tells her he intended to merely go and see who she was and make a report back to the queen, but then everything happened and he fell in love with her and he decided it was fate.

Do you think sometimes he left Sookie out of the loop to protect her from other Vampires, or do you think he was just practicing his old secretive Vampire ways, ways that had kept him and the rest of the Vampires alive all this time?

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Re: Bill's Humanity

Post  Fairy on February 11th 2010, 12:07 am

To answer your question at the end, I think Bill left Sookie out of the loop for a couple of reasons. First, as he said, he just originally intended to check her out and report back to the Queen. Second, once he became fascinated by her, I think he wanted to keep knowledge of her from the rest of the vampires for selfish reasons: he wanted her for himself because he was beginning to care. He realized once the cat was out of the bag she would be used by the vampires more powerful than he. That would mean he would lose her in a sense. I think he was afraid that the Queen would want Sooke by her side to take advantage of her special abilities. He thought Eric would use her in the same way. And, he probably was also concerned that Eric would have the same affect on Sookie that he does most females. He feared the proverbial Pandora's Box, which is precisely what happened.
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Post  raki on February 11th 2010, 12:22 am

Couldn't have said it any better Fairy.

Bill may have been sent to investigate Sookie, but I think he chose to try and stay and mainstream. I'm sure Sookie plays some part in this decision, but residing in his ancestral home may be an attempt at regaining some of what he lost.

This is a bit off topic, and Bills ladies please don't have me for mentioning this! But I think that if Bill was to ever meet the sun like Godric, he would do it near his home. I think he still has a strong connection to his family he lost, its what little humanity he has left when he first arrives and being in the home keeps him connected to them.

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Post  BlueBell on March 2nd 2010, 8:31 pm

Aslinn you pretty much said it all. But I cannot help but add what I feel, and I do feel very deeply about this.

As you know from my posts on this very subject so so so long ago. I find Bills journey such a heartwrenching one and yet also a beautiful one.

I will only refer to the show at this time because it was thanks to the show that I was introduced to this wonderful character. CH never really got indepth with Bill. I always felt there was not as much substance to him in the books. That is why when I read the books I do not see show Bills face, I see another thats nondescript.

If I had....................

3 small words with so many possibilites. What did he want to say??? Only Bill knows for sure, but whatever it was I know he meant it to reflect the deep love he feels in his dark heart and fractured soul for the injured woman he held so tenderly in his embrace.

We speculate that he was a good man, a loving husband and devoted father. We saw as much when he was allowed to see his family for a brief tortured moment after his life was cruelly stolen. If he could have talked to them, at that time, what would he have said to them???

If I had...............

To be honest I do not believe he could have said anything at all. He was so broken. To leave them thinking he was dead was probably for the best and he would have to carry that choice for an eternity. That which was left unsaid.

If I had..............

How does one turn a good man into a monster? Perhaps it is not so difficult as we would think. Take away all hope, love, desire, anticipation, family, and loving companionship. But I believe that that alone is not enough to make the monster. All that was just mentioned is what makes us human. If you replace all that goodness with evil, pain, lonelyness, fear, rage, hunger, torture, and a true monster for an eternal companion. Then we see the monster that he became, much to his eternal shame.

If I had................

The journey back to any semblance of a human, a good human, a loving human will take time, and most of all Love! An emotion he thought to never feel again. Time he has, love he has now found. But the journey is not nearly over, it is just beginning. That newfound love is in constant jeopardy. Too many factors working against this rebirth of humanity, this rebirth of his soul. Not only outside evil forces, but the inward darkness that was cruelly inbeded in his dark heart is hard to expell. Many more years than his natural life, spent in the abyss of evil cannot be erased so easily. He will make mistakes, he has made mistakes. They could be his undoing.

If I had..............

Time is his friend, time is his enemy, he is caught in the eternal struggle. But a light at the end of a long tunnel, a miracle is happening. It is hanging by a thread, it could save him, but if the thread is broken, if he loses it. Then I truly fear for his soul and heart.

We have a long way to go. He has suffered so much in the past, yet what will come may prove even more damaging to what soul and humanity he has only so recently rediscovered.

I love this man, this vampire for all he was, all he is, and all he can be. I will continue to watch this journey of his, with hope and yes, fear.

May there be mercy for his soul.

If I had....................
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Post  Aslinn Dhan on March 2nd 2010, 9:35 pm

How heart wrenching, how heart felt

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Post  BlueBell on March 9th 2010, 10:04 am

Thank you Aslinn, we feel the same about this amazingly complex character.
Of course it helps that Stephen plays him so well.
I cannot wait for the journey to continue

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Post  Aslinn Dhan on June 21st 2010, 8:47 pm

Just as Eric was torn this last episode with his feelings for Sookie, so we see Bill under the obvious ridicule for his emotional bond to Sookie. You see the conflict in him. We know he has been up to something, we know he has had a mission, but we also see the love he has for her and the fact that he may be putting her in danger with what the King says "his stubborness,"

I fear for Bill's humanity, I think he is going to chose to try to actually break with Sookie not because he has come to some great Vampiric revelation but because he is trying to protect Sookie. And I think that though some things will have to come to pass to break the two up, I think we will all see and understand his rationale for the things he has done.

It will be a real strain on his humanity and I think it will be as painful to watch as Eric's journey.

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Post  Barrister on July 19th 2010, 11:22 am

I think the interesting thing with Bill is that as passionate as he is, he sees things outside the box. He understands Vampires have a plethora of other morals that don't jive with humans. But he is close enough to his human side to see how they work and how they don't. He tells Lorena the only passion she felt was him killing his love for Sookie, and I think he would loev to be able to do that, but he can't. The reality was he was trying to kill Sookie's love for him because he sees her love for him as a dangerous thing.

I really felt for Bill in this last episode. He was desperately wanting to save her but he didn't, he led them to her. He tells her "It is too late for me," and he thinks it is. He is burnt flesh, his hand has been tipped by coming to warn her.

But I have developed a grudging sort of appreciation for Bill.

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Post  Violet on July 19th 2010, 10:39 pm

It's just kind of ironic that Bill trying to "kill" his humanity seems to have it even deeper than before. Look at what he is trying to do. He's trying to protect the human he loves. By protecting her he's giving up the life he had. Would other vampires do this for a human? Especially the vampires that have let go of their humanity long ago? Bill cannot fool me, his humanity is there and stronger than ever.
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Post  Aslinn Dhan on July 19th 2010, 11:25 pm

I agree Vi, he is becoming even more human than the other Vampires because of the lengths he will go...I just hope that he can let that go once he is home Sad

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Post  Barrister on July 25th 2010, 11:46 am

One of the things I am quite interested in is something Stephen said, that Bill is willing be a vampire for her, something has tried up to now to deny himself except when necessary. It makes me wonder if Eric is willing to be human for her.

I remember something in Book Four, Eric has just made love to Sookie and she thinks that she wishes Eric would breathe for her. At first it strikes me as odd she would say that, but then, after thinking about what Stephen has just said, I think it seems right she would want that. I mean, Bill has tried to be very human for her in every way, and now she is with Eric and he does not do that.

Bill is going to very dark places for her....and he has done some extraordinary things for her on her behalf. Sookie tells Bill that she knows there is darkness in him, but I don't think she really believes that or understands just how dark Bill can be....It will be interesting to watch

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Post  Fairy on July 25th 2010, 2:24 pm

One of the reasons Bill is more closely connected to his humanity than the other vampires is his age. As vampires go he is still very young. He more easily feels his old human emotions than the others perhaps because his human life is not so far behind him. Things may have been very different for him if he had at least had a better maker instead of a pure savage. Regardless, a certain amount of savagry is innate in a vampire.


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Post  Barrister on July 26th 2010, 6:32 pm

I think I agree to a certain extent, but I don't think it applies in this case. If you will recall the lovely and lethal Diane. She was made a vampire in the 1930's, and she was extremely far removed from her humanity. Even the lovely Jessica is leaving behind her humanity rather quickly and is becoming more and more a vampire.

One of the things that intrigued me about the torture scene was the way Bill fought against Lorena. He told her that he wished he could have known her before she was made a vampire and he could see the light in her eyes. That pity in his voice, despite the fact that she had him at a disadvantage was as brutal as a punch.

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Post  Fairy on July 26th 2010, 9:25 pm

As a vampire, being close to your humanity doesn't ensure that you are a more gentle vampire. Diane was probably not a gentle human either. Bill was a religious, southern gentleman when he was turned so that is part of his nature. Jessica was a young, innocent sweet girl, and that is part of her vampire nature. Eric was a warrior and still is. So my point is that whatever moral character or nature or talents existed in their human lives vampires carry over at least to some degree after they are made.
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Post  Violet on July 26th 2010, 9:33 pm

I thought it was very Bill to say something like that, and also very right. Despite all their problems, these are two beings that know each other better than anyone else. They know each other's weaknesses, darkness, capabilities etc. Bill laying there certain he's going to die, holds up a mirror to Lorena. I don't think he was trying to be cruel but maybe felt a last chance was needed to help her change. He's the only man she cared about and she's letting herself put him through torture while suffering herself. I feel for Lorena right now. I too wish I could have seen her before the darkness took over.

I may feel sorry for her, but she had centurires to change her act. If it's a choice to save Bill, then sorry hun but you're going out.
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Post  Aslinn Dhan on October 17th 2010, 7:54 pm

So I have taken some time to hash over the last season and I am going to hit the other Vampires as well.

So we saw a lot of extremes this season in all of our Vampires. Some of it were extreme examples of humanity and others were extreme examples of Vampire.

In the case of Bill, as Barrister noted, we see things Bill does that we consider typical Bill behavior. His broodiness, his slavish love for Sookie, his willingness to do whatever he must to protect Sookie, either from other Vampires or from a truth so devastating it makes him treacherous to both kings and queens and other Vampires.

Bill is a pawn of the more powerful Vampires in his world. We find out Bill was a procurer, a Vampire who goes out to gather humans for food or pleasure or both as his queen desires. He carefully selects humans who will not be missed. Case in point, the stripper he procures as a blood meal for Lorena and Edgington and unwittingly for himself as they sort of force him to feed with them. They do this because they know Bill has been mainstreaming and except for love nips from Sookie and the occasional blood meal from a "baddie" trying to harm Sookie, Bill has turned over a new leaf. They cannot trust him so they have to make him "prove" his loyalty. He has to be a regular Vampire with them.

And this bothers Bill. After the stripper tells him "I know the truth about life....you won't get out alive" he says she's right about that. Except if you are a Vampire....maybe...because by the time Bill lunches down on the inner thigh of the doomed stripper, he thinks he is lost for all time. But let me back up a piece....because a lot happens between the time Bill is kidnapped to the time he is kicked out of Sookie's house in the finale.

Bill is immediately faced with dilemma. Does he fight and struggle to get away and get to Sookie and protect her or does he stay close and keep them away from her. He knows very well what he must do. He has to break his ties to her and he has to break off his budding humanity. He has to be Vampire.

His first act as Vampire? Renouncing his loyalty to Queen Sophie Anne. This effectively, in Bill's mind, makes it permissible to do whatever he must to ensure Sookie's freedom. He wants assurances from Edgington that he will be able to overthrow Sophie Anne.

Now, you can make a legitimate argument that if Edgington overthrows Sophie Anne would never know about the mission...and you would be right. But Bill is trying to keep Sookie alive. A dead Sookie is an ignorant Sookie...if he did not care for her, he would not care whether she lived or died. If she was just an object the queen sent him to procure then he decided to keep her for himself, he would have no compunction whatsoever to leave her in harm's way.

Bill then dreams of his other family, the family he had when he was human. It is heart breaking to watch Bill not only mourn his son but to see Caroline's dawning realization that Bill is no longer human. Her fear of him and his reaction to her is something that shows us the dividing line between Bill the human and Bill the Vampire. He is barely three years old as Vampire and very much in Lorena's sway. He must do as she says. She is teaching him something, that the human world and the their world are unviverses apart and I suspect that though Bill hates the lesson, he knows that on many levels this is true. He knows that he can no longer be in the home he lived in and be with the wife he cherished and the children he made with her. He is a slave, not only to his Vampire instincts but to his maker. Bill is still "clinging " to his humanity...pining for what was his life.

In response to this, the second thing he does to reclaim his Vampire self and ensure Sookie's safety is to ravish Lorena...and then tell Sookie about it...The attempt Bill makes to break up with Sookie is savage and his voice is as cool and careless as any other Vampire. But at the time, you can see Bill's torment. In the midst of his rage and anger you can also see the terror...as he told Lorena he was killing the last of his love for Sookie by being brutal and by being Vampire and by betraying her. But he is also taking a road he has always feared he could not come back from, he may not be able to. He told Sookie in Season Two he has fought very hard to reclaim his bit of humanity. If this is true, then his journey to return to a more human self is quite recent. As recent as his arrival in Bon Temps.

But then, Bill reverses gears. And it happens just as he is about to get back into the limo with the blood meal for Lorena and Edgington. He feels Sookie's fear and there is a part of him for a split second that is both happy and terrified for her. He knows she is near and he knows she is in danger. But there is nothing he can do about it without tipping his hand and the appearance of Tara and Franklin and the file Franklin found in Bill's house shows him his time is short and his rouse has been uncovered. He goes to Sookie to scare her away to send her out of the city. But he is too late.

When Lorena is ordered to kill Bill, we see him having the same old argument with his maker. The issue is his inability to be what she wanted him to be. He both pities and taunts her, comparing her to his makers maker, a vile cruel Vampire who made Lorena use her physical allure to trap men in her maker's clutches and use them in unspeakable ways...he says she will discard him once he meets the true death and find another good man to twist to her designs as she tried to twist him. As her maker twisted her.

For a brief moment, we see Bill ready to accept and embrace the true death. He tells Lorena that he is glad to die because finally he is rid of her...which is echoed by Tara when she is confronted by Franklin. She tells him to go ahead and kill her because that way she will escape from him forever. What is interesting is that it is both Stackhouses that save people they care about by killing Vampires: Lorena by Sookie and Franklin by Jason.

One of the heart breaking things that happen to Sookie and Bill, which hurts Bill deeply is the fact that he does nearly drain her to death. Bill would have had to have been truly out of his mind to do this. He does love Sookie. This also reminds Bill further that he is Vampire and there are things in being Vampire he would never be able to deny or promise it would never happen again. And this is the savage overpowering need for blood. He will always have to have blood, artificial or otherwise. No matter how human he tries to be, he will be Vampire til he meets the true death.

His observations: I want you to lie in the sun, grow old with someone, have children...all the things he could never do for her or with her...it is a sad moment, a moment of no turning back for him. In the books it is always Sookie that makes these observations. But in the show, so much of this uncertainty is transferred to Bill.

The there is the Wish sequence...Sookie and Bill make the most profound wish for the future: Bill would be a teacher, they would live between the Compton house and the Stackhouse house, they would grow a garden, Bill would go fishing, they would double date with Arlene and Terry, Sookie would sell real estate and everything would be perfect.

Until she finds out Bill was sent to Bon Temps to procure her for Queen Sophie Anne.

This is pretty bad news. I have to admit I would be so pissed off at Bill. Then we have the whammy delivered on us...He let the Rattrays beat her nearly to death to get his blood in her. Bill, all of your lies caught up with you.

But..in Bill's defense...this was a calculated plan on the part of a Vampire who had been sent on the orders of his queen to get Sookie Stackhouse for her own use, based on the babbling of her dimwitted cousin who told the queen all about her during a session of pillowtalk. Bill had no built in love for humans, separated though he was from his maker by this time for around 70 years, he was sufficiently Vampire enough to have shed most of his feelings for humans. He was there to do the job he was sent to do...he never counted on falling in love with Sookie.

It could be argued this is because in the course of feeding Sookie his blood, he got a taste of and for Sookie's blood. The blood bond works both ways. And again you would be right. Perhaps they glamoured one another with their blood...Sookie with Bill's and Bill with Sookie's. But I think too that as awful as his reasons for being there are, Bill did fall in love with her. I think her courage and her acceptance of him was something he had never felt...Bill tells her during their moonlight walk in season one: You aren't like other humans and Sookie simply says Who am I to judge something that is unusual. Her acceptance of him, her appreciation of him, her forcing him feel human, just a guy walking with a girl on a starry night, holding hands and kissing...of course he is reminded of his being Vampire, but I think too he is reminded how it was to be a human man.

And in retrospect, I think that is the reason Bill does not school her in the ins and outs of the Vampire world...yeah yeah, I know, he doesn't do that because he doesn't want her to find out about the mission...but I think he does it too so that she will not see him so much as Vampire and so he will see himself as more human. She even tells him in season three...As much as you want to be Human, I think I am meeting you half way to Vampire. His expression is so bizarre, because there is a part of him that finds it amusing, even a great idea, but I think there is a part of him that finds it a little sad. In season two, when Sookie sits down and asks Jessica to give her the evening with Bill he says "It's almost as though you glamoured her" Bill sees Sookie as something peculiar, human but not...

So what does this say about Bill's Humanity you ask, after slogging your way through my exploration. I think it says we all struggle with our notion of good and evil, humanity and inhumanity. Bill is a microcosm of these conflicts we see in the world around us. Is Bill far away from his humanity? No, I don't think so...he is very disturbed by his acts of inhumanity but he is not far off from his Vampire self either, that ruthlessness he had to have to survive. But I think this season especially, he has felt the burden of his humanity and I think that now he "has nothing to lose" Bill will be a very different person in the next season...and whether or not he recapture his bit of humanity is the I will be interested in the most...

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Re: Bill's Humanity

Post  Renee on October 18th 2010, 12:00 pm

i have frequently said that bill has been a victim of circumstance, heading home after the war only to meet his end at the hands of Lorena, his life with Lorena that caused so much self disgust that his suffering was a palpable thing when he finally convinced her to release him. his travels finally leading him to serve the queen of Louisiana eventually leading to his mission of procuring the telepathic fairy hybrid.

poor bill, he certainly used the rattrays as a stroke of brilliance to bind sookie to him only to find himself caught in the snare of the intoxication of both the taste of sookie's blood and the purity of sookie's acceptance of his differences leading her to giving him her innocence, a fact that his human life would have made much of, again circumstances beyond his control.

enter Eric via Rene's evil machinations, the last thing that bill could possibly want and circumstances carry on from there. Eric's desire for sookie, his involvement with Lorena which finally leads her to Russell and his group leading to the kidnapping and the further dramas that unfold causing bill's life to topple into despair and loss once again rather like a chain of dominoes when only the first is tapped.

as to his humanity, bill is certainly an unusual vampire in his tenacious grasp on his former existence particularly given the very evident remorse that enveloped him years before sookie was born. one of the most telling statements sookie made in season two was "what if you were godric," when he voices his protests and his acceptance of her choice to go to the roof. it is my belief that bill will continue to hold fast to his humanity, constantly being in conflict with his vampire existence and with that his love for sookie.

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Re: Bill's Humanity

Post  Violet on October 19th 2010, 8:18 pm

The fact that he's having these conflicts within himself proves that his humanity will always be there. I'm not worried about Bill. He'll be upset, yes, but now he has the time to re-examine everything that has taken place. He no longer has to worry about Lorena. He also doesn't have to worry about Sookie finding out about the mission. Hopefully he'll take care of the Queen so she doesn't get her cold fingers on Sookie. If he does kill her, then his own personal mission will be complete. Sookie's biggest threat will be gone.

He thinks he has nothing to live for, but it isn't true. It's the first time that he can do what he wants for himself. He did whatever Lorena told him to do, was ordered by the Queen, was Russell's prisoner, and spent nearly his entire time with Sookie protecting her. I know protecting Sookie was his choice, but he also gave himself up in order to keep her safe (the dark side). If Sookie fails to see all this then the girl cannot be helped.

I'm excited what the writers will bring to Bill. They can basically give him a new start (since CH didn't care to explore him any further). Hopefully it'll be a happy one.
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Re: Bill's Humanity

Post  Barrister on October 19th 2010, 11:48 pm

I think Bill is hugely complex and I think he has much to atone for. Having said that, I will go on to say Sookie really needs to think things over about Bill and weigh the pros and cons about what his situation was and what his alternatives were and what he has done before and since. I know we are mostly speaking of Bill in the show here, but we are also speaking of Bill in the books.

Bill I think already atoned for his shenanigans with the Rattrays. Standing back and allowing them to beat her was a crime so indefensible in so many levels, and it is a perfect rationalisation he did what he did before he knew her. He warned Sookie the night he met her "Vampires don't have human values" and in the book he said "If you think I harbour one bit of sentimentality..." and he expalined her "vampires don't care automatically about humans"

And he cared nothing for her when he first met her. He knew she was the one his queen wanted, he knew she was different, but he cared nothing for her. So when does all this emotion happen towards her? I think in the show it happened when he told his story about the war and we see the way he was changed and made vampire and then walking home to see the ghosts of his wife and children sitting on his porch made him realized the connection between what he once was, and what he was becoming because of her innocent acts of acceptance and compassion. I wonder how long it had been since he felt that someone cared for him?

Bill has always had to walk a tight rope between vampire and being something else. And I think the moment he atoned to Sookie for his acts, by allowing the Rattrays to beat her, was when he walked into the sun. He would not have done that had he not cared for her. His crime to Sookie, now is the crime of omission.

So now he is in a situation, now he is a single parent ot Jessica, who is now going off into the world. Bill is having to imagine a world where Sookie may not be in it as his partner. That he may have sit back and watch her fall in love, either with Eric or someone else and he is going to have to deal with the most painful of human emotions...loss.

And it is his fault to an extent...But isn't that the way of all humanity? To Err? I would hate to think there would be no forgiveness for him...

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Re: Bill's Humanity

Post  Aslinn Dhan on March 31st 2011, 8:08 pm

So now we are so close to the new season, just some 73 days or so. And I have reread all the Sookie books and I have finished the second season and am champing at the bit for the encore of the last season, priming us for the new season. So now I take time to write on this topic again...don't worry I will speak of Eric as well as we prepare for his abrupt change.

One of the things that apparently happens according to the spoilers is that Bill takes on some mantle of responsibility in the Vampire community, something he has been reticent to do in both the books and the show. One of the things that Stephen has brought up about his character is Bill's willingness to become Vampire for Sookie to protect her. And on some levels to take some responsibility for Jessica, which apparently shores up the relationship between the two Vampires which before had been fractured, uneven and unfair to both characters. Jessica has been a fangy latch key kid and has had to learn to be a Vampire on her own and with the dubious help of Pam.

But I wonder if this indicates he is pretty much done with the whole trying to be human thing and being just a mainstreaming Vampire, because it seems to me that though he has accepted being a Vampire, he does not like it like that much and resents it like hell (With a maker like Lorena, who could blame it) and tried to be more human which leads to some unintentional funny moments with Bill, making him seem nerdy and powerless.

What we discovered however is Bill is capable of doing whatever is necessary to survive.He can kow tow and kiss ass with the best of them to protect his hide and protect those he is concerned about. But will that negate his desire to recapture what humanity he can salvage to survive in both the human world and the Vampire world? It sets up a real conundrum...

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Re: Bill's Humanity

Post  Guest on April 1st 2011, 7:20 pm

I love this thread...I can't wait to see what happens to Bill as well.... kissie huggykissie

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Re: Bill's Humanity

Post  Aslinn Dhan on July 20th 2011, 10:36 pm

So, just as we have seen an entirely new Eric this season, we have seen an entirely new Bill.

Bill is now in a position of authority. In fact he is the King of Louisiana, such a far cry from what he was when he strolled into Merlotte's that night. But he does not wear the crown easily and I think Bill has allowed himself to be made a puppet of the Authority again in a desperate gamble to keep Sookie safe. As he told her in the end of Season three, he would do anything to keep her safe, even if that meant he could not be in her life.

There are naysayers to this. And to an extent I do agree. Bill has had a problem with honesty since we and Sookie have known him and he is still having a problem with it. I think that is because Vampires are never completely honest with one another, and they are never completely honest with humans. We are also dealing with a man whose soul purpose in life is to protect Sookie.

But even that is coming at odds with what he must do to be King and thus have the power to keep her safe and be able to deceive the Vampire hierarchy. He does not want it to be common knowledge that Sookie has powers that can be exploited by Vampires. He will do whatever he must to do that.

His conflict with Eric is multi faceted. The main one of course is as a potential romantic rival. It galls Bill to no end that Eric may take his place in Sookie's heart and he of course would do whatever he can to prevent that. The others include the fact Eric knows what Sookie is when he is in his right mind. Then there the fact Sookie has no control over him and he may even unintentionally do her harm. Then he has the Authority to deal with.

Now, as much as we would like, Bill and Eric will never be friends. They will join forces to protect Sookie, but they will never be friends. Bill has no love for Eric and the same can honestly be said for Eric. Both Vampires have betrayed their monarchs and both Vampires hold other Vampires under suspicion, and of all the things I think is the hardest for the Vampires out of the coffin, I think that the hardest thing for them, to get a long with one another and follow the rules the Authority wants all mainstreaming Vampires to follow.

And Bill is chafing under the weight of his crown. Further in he goes into the world of Vampire, a descent he began when he made his deal with Russell Edgington, it is testing his grip on his humanity. It will be interesting to see how this plays out, as Bill meets the thing he wants and weighs it against what he sees before him and his humanity and empathy and understanding peeks out and betrays a reality. Bill is caught between the human world and the Vampire world and in the words of the immortal Mayagi : If you stand on right side of road..okay...you stand on left side of road...okay...you stand in middle of road...you get a-squish like grape...


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